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prewettjw - 06:51pm Apr 17, 1997 EST (#30
Very courageous article. You're sure gonna catch a lot of flack from Roman Catholics. Perhaps some day more critical attention will be paid to the inordinate degree of influence the Roman Catholic religious institution has over the United States government [and many other governments]. WBW, John [Delete Message] =========================================================
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A.M. Rosenthal: The Rebirth of Croatian Fascism
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2421393 - 10:34pm Apr 14, 1997 EST (#1 of 30)
Champion of the underdog and the downtrodden. Enjoy his columns very much.
ms309 - 04:55am Apr 15, 1997 EST (#2 of 30)
Clarity of thought, cogency of argument, superb choice of subjects. The New York Times is a gem and so is Rosenthal.
lowellross - 08:07am Apr 15, 1997 EST (#3 of 30)
Herr Rosenthal schreibt viel und gut über die Wichtigkeit von Lebensraum für die Judaische Menschen.
kosovo - 08:19am Apr 15, 1997 EST (#4 of 30)
The article on the Ustashe resurgence in Croatia took courage, as did the April 12 article by Chris Hedges. If this stuff had been printed 6 years ago perhaps war might have been averted. At that time of course, discussions like this were written off as the paranoid ravings of Serbs.
greatmag - 08:35am Apr 15, 1997 EST (#5 of 30)
I like Rosenthal most of the time. He is at his best when exposing foriegn regimes that are fascist. I wonder when he'll apply that label to our administration. Our present gang has all the attributes of Beijing and Croatia except that they haven't gotten around to mass murder, yet. They did get a start on it in Waco.
sihaque - 09:09am Apr 15, 1997 EST (#6 of 30)
I like A.M.Rosenthal...however, sometimes he takes on too anti-muslim a stance. A little balance would help.
josephog - 09:42am Apr 15, 1997 EST (#7 of 30)
A.M. Rosenthal has made an invaluable contribution to an evaluation of our simplistic (to state it too temperately) policy toward Croatian fascism. There had been much evidence from virtually the earliest beginnings of Croatia's revolt against Yugoslavia. There is an urgent need to convince the Clinton administration and our allies to follow through on these findings. J.G.
SForste - 11:43am Apr 15, 1997 EST (#8 of 30)
The power wielded by a small contingent of neo-facists in Croatia is one outgrowth of the lawlessness that prevails in the countries of the former Yugoslavia. Chris Hedges reports that those who oppose the rehabilitation of the Ustashe in Croatia are afraid to raise their voices against it. This is what happens when there is no true freedom of the press and the rule of law is weak. Mr. Rosenthal writes that the countries of the West have the power to stop the Croatian facists in their tracks -- if they choose to do so. The West also has the power to support the rule of law in the Balkans -- if it chooses to do so. How can the West do that? Most effectively, by arresting the war criminals indicted by the War Crimes Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. Through their refusal to arrest and extradite the indicted (as required under the Dayton Accords), Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia-Herzegovina have all demonstrated their contempt for the rule of law the Tribunal represents. In the meantime, as the West has stood quietly by, indicted criminals have led unfettered lives and, in the case of Republika Srpska, become leaders of the government and the police force. If the West does not support the rule of law in the Balkans, who will?
nguyenanhtung - 12:29pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#9 of 30)
I like recent articles by Mr. Rosenthal about Religious persecution in Asia Communist nations.
I hope that he will contact the current Advisory Committee on Religious Freedom Abroad (State Department) to see what this Committee will do about Buddhist and Christian persecution in Vietnam Communist.
I always copy his articles to post into newsgroups in Asia about this religious persecution.
rgomez - 12:36pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#10 of 30)
Reading Rosenthal is like watching a love story made in Hollywood. You need only read the first line to know exactly what the commentary of the day will contain and what the conclusion will be. His points of view are equally predictable. Always on the same side of the fence and never attempting to explore the possibility that the acts of humans are never just black and white or just round or square. That on occasion his friend might be wrong or his foe might be trying honestly to reach out.
steveroberts - 12:56pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#11 of 51)
A. M. Rosenthal gives a sense of the continuity of history and how events 50 or more years ago affect events today. This perspective is too often missing in news coverage, which can't seem to remember what happened yesterday that is still relavant to the issue at hand. Thank you for an intelligent and very readable column. N. Roberts
dimitris - 01:25pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#12 of 51)
I would like to congradulate Mr. Rosenthal for his courage to say some truths that the West does not want to admit, at least in public. As an American citizen of Greek origin, whose close relatives fought against fasism in 1940, I am extremely dissapointed with the way the West rewards its allies (including Greece) compared to ''neutral'' or active Nazi allies.
douglasave - 01:54pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#13 of 51)
Mr. Rosenthal is to be praised for calling attention the fine piece of journalsim by Chris Hedges. He did what readers long for; namely providing a good historical backround for a current happening. Rosenthal is performing a service in reminding us of the Croatian Facists and the evil act that they performed.
However the Hedges article went further in mentioning the "ratlines" run by Nastasche and and the their allies from the church. There is considerable evidence that the "ratlines" were not used to facilitate escape of Croation war criminal but also German war criminals. It is estimated that some 50,000 Nazis were sent to S. America especially Argentina by this route. It has also been noted that this traffic could not have existed without tacit support from the Catholic Church and groups in the U.S. Government possibly the State Dept. Perhaps at this time when reexamination of the role of various countries in World War II are being examined, the role of the variouus groups involved operating the "ratline" be considered. Hopefully we can hear more from Chris Hedges
ziaie - 01:59pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#14 of 51)
Although Mr. Rosenthal's Op-Ed on Croatia is correct and conveys the right message, I think he has a very one sided view towards the middle east situation. I find his articles regarding Arab-Israeli conflict at times pathologically one sided and racist at times. It will give Mr. Rosenthal more credibility on other issues if he at times be a little bit more fair to the plight of the palestinian people.
douglasave - 02:48pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#15 of 51)
Mr. Rosenthal is to be praied for calling attention the fine peice of journalsim by Chris Hedges. He did what readers long for; namely providing a good historical backround for a current happening. Rosenthal is performing a service in reminding us of the Croatian Facists and the eveil act that they performed. However the Hedges article went further in mentioning the "ratlines" run by Nastasche and and the their allies from the church. There is considerable evidence that the ratlines were not used to facilitate escape of Croation war criminal but also German war criminals. It is estimated that some 50,000 Nazis were sent to S. America especially Argentina by this route. It has also been noted that this traffic could not have existed without tacit support from the Catholic Church and groups in the U.S. Government possibly the State Dept. Perhaps at this time when reexamination of the role of various countries in World War II are beeing examined, the role of the variouus groups in operating the rarat line be reviewed.Hopefully we can hear more from Chris Hedges
pribichevich - 05:08pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#16 of 51)
Why wasn't such a historical perspective written about when the war began? Why was it so necessary to quickly condemn Serbs when all parties are guilty of this mess? Does it really matter who killed more people? If 1 million jews died in WWII instead of 6 million-would that have been less awful?
The West-including Mr. Rosenthal, missed a golden opportunity when the war began to take the time to thoroughly examine this region. Instead they looked at the struggle like it was some cowboy movie with the good guys in white hats and the outlaws in black ones. There are no good guys .
wildeto - 06:25pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#17 of 51)
Rosenthal is as one dimensional as Herbert. Perhaps obsessed would be more descriptive. What can we do from here to silence political adherence in another country. We cloak ourselves in political freedom, Rosenthal would have us interfere in such freedoms in a foreign country. Get real.
p_makarov - 06:46pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#18 of 30) Who said - "Never again!"? Here they are - again!
Ustashi are marching again!
Just a reminder: Who are Ustashi? They are Nazi Croats - the worst fascists the world had known... Serbs have more than valid historical reason NOT TO TRUST Croat or Muslim "democracy". What they were suffering during World War II is so gruesome and far beyond description. The Western press carefully avoids to talk about recent history of the region. That way the Serbs of Croatia and Bosnia are denied the REAL MOTIVE for their current fear and struggle.
Nazi Croatia is resurrected to the last possible detail! Today's Croatia is a carbon copy of the World War II Nazi predecessor
Resurrected and reunited Germany helps its historical ally. German diplomats put everything on the line insisting that New (Old) "Independent State of Croatia" - should be independent again.
Current Fuehrer of Croatia and his "Mein Kampf" Capital book written by Mr. Tudjman, current President of Croatia, claims that Jews are guilty for the holocaust.
Nazis of the world unite again! So called "neo-Nazi" (they would like if you call them simply - Nazi), round the globe, participated EN MASSE as volunteers in the Croatian Army. They brag about being able once again, for the first time since 1945, to sit in tanks and charge. And murder some real people
Open bragging Not only are Ustashi not ashamed of their Nazi past - they openly brag about it!
p_makarov - 06:49pm Apr 15, 1997 EST (#19 of 30)
Who said - "Never again!"? Here they are - again!
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